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On the Gospel Authors

March 4, 2010

Recently a student asked me about the reasonableness of Jesus’ commands regarding the alleviation of poverty.

In response I noted that the gospel authors were not economists.

In Mark, the proposals Jesus makes for solving the problems of poverty are basically as follows:

  • Give all your money to the poor.
  • Wait for the apocalypse.

That’s right: these are not sophisticated solutions to the problem of poverty.

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  1. March 4, 2010 3:27 pm

    Never Jesus told all these things. You must read what he says first then judge. He said to share your things not give them. And this is something only few people could do but there were people who did it and it shows Jesus could be right…………And for Apoclypse he talked only to John..thanks

  2. missivesfrommarx permalink*
    March 4, 2010 3:33 pm

    Apparently you haven’t read the gospel of Mark. I suggest not talking about things of which you’re ignorant.

  3. March 4, 2010 3:42 pm

    Apparently you you haven’t read no gospel so…………………..And I have read all of them….And Marx borrowed many things from them….even if he couldn’t tell it so nice like Jesus his theory and Jesus has more supporters after all And all tha that from a physicist supporter of Big Bang!

  4. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 4, 2010 5:58 pm

    “Never Jesus told all these things. You must read what he says first then judge.”

    You should try your own medicine first before preaching from ignorance.

    ” He said to share your things not give them.”

    Er, no. Mark 10:21 – Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

    “And for Apoclypse he talked only to John.”

    Again, no. Now read Mark 13: 5-27, commonly known as “the little apocalypse”, oddly enough because it’s about the apocalypse. When you have read these passages you might actually stop embarrassing yourself, particularly when you claim you’ve already read the gospels.

  5. March 4, 2010 6:33 pm

    lol

    miss marx i’ve told you before, comment moderation saves one a multitude of headaches.

  6. designprof permalink
    March 4, 2010 6:39 pm

    It is my understanding that the gospels were not even written by the apostles, so who really can claim to know what Jesus said.

  7. Classical Liberal permalink
    March 4, 2010 9:06 pm

    Ditto Jim.

  8. missivesfrommarx permalink*
    March 5, 2010 12:29 pm

    designprof, yes, I know—here I’m talking about the Jesus as presented in Mark. That’s why I referred to the “gospel author” rather than Jesus himself in the title of the post …

  9. missivesfrommarx permalink*
    March 5, 2010 12:29 pm

    Jim: lol indeed.

  10. March 5, 2010 1:04 pm

    But dogmatically stating incorrect information usually works so effectively in political contexts!

  11. missivesfrommarx permalink*
    March 5, 2010 1:13 pm

    docal, I’m not sure to whom your comment is directed …

  12. March 5, 2010 1:27 pm

    @veryrarelystable He talks to a person he knew he wouldn’t do it not because he was God but because he understood people and that person represent many people. A little things are told about Δευτέρα Παρουσία ( language of gospels Greek) to his students and only to John he told about apocalypse again Greek

  13. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 2:00 pm

    @lyva79 Your exegesis is faulty. Jesus’ instruction, to sell his possessions and give to the poor, is ultimately in answer to the question “What must I do to inherit eternal life?”. Now you seem to think that the answer given only applies to a select few, but Mark’s Jesus disagrees with you, as he makes clear in the summary of this pericope in verse 23:

    And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, “How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!”

    As for Mark’s little apocalypse, it is in fact addressed to four people, Peter, James, John and Andrew. The Δευτέρα Παρουσία, as you put it, is covered in a number of verses, starting with 13:26.

  14. March 5, 2010 2:20 pm

    @veryrarelystable I’m not Jesus so I can’t tell what He want and of course you are not too. The only thing I can only do is believe in Him so do you if you want it. I respect what you believe but apocalypse is about a series of events and have nothing to do with Δευτέρα Παρουσία or Κρίση English language is very poor to translate gospels not even this can describe Ευαγγέλια so…………there is no point to discuss it

  15. March 5, 2010 2:38 pm

    Sorry are you rich guys because you really support this man ok to not talk without reason for this story with this man and Jeasus who really you seem like………i’m only joking

  16. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 2:52 pm

    “I’m not Jesus so I can’t tell what He want”

    Well that’s an extraordinary about turn from trying to tell missivesfrommarx exactly what he wants, namely:

    “He said to share your things not give them.”

    It was you who associated Δευτέρα Παρουσία (not a biblical term, rather it’s your term) with the apocalypse. There is no word Κρίση in the New Testament. I presume you meant κρίσις a third declension noun. If you wish to read the NT in its original language perhaps you should improve your skills.

    “there is no point to discuss it”

    This simply begs the question , why did you come on this blog and discuss it? Discussion is, after all, what blogs are for.

  17. March 5, 2010 3:07 pm

    At first I don’t think you can teach me my language. Ok if you want to discuss it it’s ok I don’t have problem. You can return when you learn to read and of course to understand so we could discuss. If you want to learn Greek well done if you are Greek not good to are against δημοτικη you must improve your skills in it. Jesus did not left his own write(like Σωκράτης) and we only have gospels for his word.This is the reason i prefer John’s gospel.Ah did you go to someone catholic or Protestant school and learn something a little bit “wrong”?? Because then there is problem to our discussion!!

  18. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 4:00 pm

    “I don’t think you can teach me my language.”

    Κοινή is not your language as is evident from your basic error of failing to decline κρίσις properly. When you have learnt some κοινή, then we can discuss the NT (if you now think it’s worth discussing anything – you don’t seem to agree with yourself on this point).

  19. March 5, 2010 4:13 pm

    NT?

  20. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 4:14 pm

    NT = New Testament

  21. March 5, 2010 4:16 pm

    Αh you mean Καινή Διαθήκη

  22. March 5, 2010 4:18 pm

    Κοινή is ελληνιστική γραφή it comes from the name that Greeks can understand it better

  23. March 5, 2010 4:19 pm

    Is there a reason you don’t answer some questions???

  24. March 5, 2010 4:23 pm

    Κοινή-Eλληνιστική γραφή was a more simply form of the Greek Language of 5th century B.C. And ελληνιστική is the period when Greeks was rulers from a very big part of the known world

  25. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 4:33 pm

    I have shown that your first post was entirely false. Mark’s Jesus did teach giving to the poor, and he preached an apocalypse to a number of people, not just John. You don’t seem to have any answer to this, seem to want to divert on to other things. You state what you think is in the bible, but you are simply in error. QED.

  26. March 5, 2010 4:33 pm

    QED?

  27. March 5, 2010 4:38 pm

    Quantum Electrodynamics?

  28. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 4:38 pm

    QED = quod erat demonstrandum (Latin) roughly equivalent to ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι.

  29. March 5, 2010 4:38 pm

    Or quod erat demonstrandum?

  30. March 5, 2010 4:40 pm

    Ok you keep going with the things you can reply and wikipedia……..I never told I know everything……….

  31. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 4:40 pm

    I don’t suppose many people are following this tiff, but just to explain that the 2 posts above were made at roughly the same time.

  32. March 5, 2010 4:41 pm

    And try not confuse αποκάλυψη with μεταμόρφωσις

  33. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 4:43 pm

    You could try reading the bible before asserting falsehoods.

  34. March 5, 2010 4:50 pm

    You could try it too And we discussed only the second part of bible Καινή Διαθήκη and you chose talk about the 1/4 of it

  35. veryrarelystable permalink
    March 5, 2010 5:09 pm

    Well I think I’m going to take belatedly the advice from missivesfrommarx addressed to you at the start:

    “Apparently you haven’t read the gospel of Mark. I suggest not talking about things of which you’re ignorant.”

    You make no attempt to maintain the arguments you have asserted, and which are plainly false. Neither have you retracted them. You carry on trying to divert the argument. missivesfrommarx was correct, and I only regret not listening to this advice earlier. You have nothing to contribute to this thread, and it is clearly a waste of time trying to make you understand anything.

  36. March 5, 2010 5:11 pm

    Yes I have nothing to do with people without brain.You told something correct after all………..thanks I learned much from this discuss…………..

  37. Classical Liberal permalink
    March 5, 2010 9:06 pm

    Well, that was entertaining.
    Let’s not do it again soon though.
    Comment moderation ftw. (For The Win.)

  38. missivesfrommarx permalink*
    March 5, 2010 9:33 pm

    Wow; this was a bad day to be away from the web …

  39. March 16, 2010 4:22 pm

    Wow, this are a lot of comments. I don’t have time to read them. I just wanted to make a snarky, random, mild joke:

    “Giving all my money away and waiting for the apocalypse is starting to sound more reasonable every day.”

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